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> No offense, but you’re too much of a downer to really continue talking to.

No offence, but that’s a pretty pathetic reason for trying to escape from a debate. It may be that I find your optimism irritating, but whether I do or not is of absolutely no consequence to our discussion.

> I’m going to make the very realistic guess that you don’t know everything, you don’t know every possible outcome, but you have already decided that the worst outcome is the one that will happen.

You are correct in that I do not know everything, but I do not pretend to.

You are entirely incorrect in your Straw Man of my argument, claiming that I think that ‘the worst outcome is the one that will happen’. I do not think that, nor have I ever claimed to; you made that version of my argument up yourself, then acted as if that was my actual case (the very definition of the Straw Man fallacy).

As far as you have informed me, the primary difference between our philosophies is our willingness to keep Murphy’s Law (“What can go wrong, will go wrong”) in mind:

Your approach appears to be to continue to tempt fate and failure until you have sated your moral goal of saving absolutely everyone you think it at all possible to save.

I consider this to be foolhardy, and would rather make the best that I can of a bad situation, but to ensure that I do not jeopardise too much for too little – even if the ‘too little’ consists of human lives. This does not mean that I will say “Fuck it”, and let everyone drown in a flood; it means that I will not sail a boat of a dozen survivors into treacherous rapids to save a pair of children.

I *might* be able to save them – I do not pretend to know the future, regardless of whether you want to claim the inverse – but I would consider the potential loss of a dozen people to outweigh the potential gain of two.

I’ll finish by saying that you’re an arrogant fool if you truly think that only the optimists are trying.

Nearly everyone is trying; they just have differing views on where they’re starting from.

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